holland and other democrats admitting there are going to be seats they are going to have to lose and they'll have to cut members off, that they'll basically have to let the guys fry, that is an indication no matter what the talking points are, there is a deeper understanding that this climate is very, very bad for the incumbent party. >> chris: juan? >> well, i think i want to pick up on what john mccain said to you earlier, chris, which is it's time for republicans to put up or shut up. where are the republican ideas? you had a group of republicans, young republicans in the house put out a book this week, no new ideas, saying here is what we would do that is different. when you hear from president obama as we did yesterday in his radio/internet address he says look, we have had eight months of growth in terms of job creation. the numbers would have been better this last report -- >> chris: private, private sector. >> total job creation. >> chris: the economy lost 283,000 jobs in recovery summer. >> do you realize we were losing per month about 750,000 jobs when president obama came in to office?